The Tea Party aren't Hobbits by any stretch of the imagination - hobbits are more like 1970's back-to-the-land hippie organic farmer types.
No, the Tea Party seems to be much more like the Easterlings, who's society has been thoroughly corrupted by promises of power regardless of the decency or lack thereof of the individual members. And Obama seems to be playing the role of Denethor, trying to hold back the tide but not really being able to do so and kinda ambiguous about where he's loyalties really lie.
The Tea Party aren't Hobbits by any stretch of the imagination - hobbits are more like 1970's back-to-the-land hippie organic farmer types.
No, the Tea Party seems to be much more like the Easterlings, who's society has been thoroughly corrupted by promises of power regardless of the decency or lack thereof of the individual members. And Obama seems to be playing the role of Denethor, trying to hold back the tide but not really being able to do so and kinda ambiguous about where he's loyalties really lie.
The TEA Party wants LESS government power, not more. Think of them as "Fiscal Libertarians".
So, if they are corrupt, as you say, wouldn't that means they want MORE government power? I think you got it backwards.
The TP wants less government power over big business. They couldn't care less if you have to be forced by the government to carry any pregnancy to term.
The TP wants less government power over big business. They couldn't care less if you have to be forced by the government to carry any pregnancy to term.
Strange. Everyone I know that has attended a TEA Party rally doesn't give a rat's ass about big business. They want the federal government out of THEIR lives. Also, abortion is not a TEA Party position. Letting the states decide whether or not to allow abortion, however, is. I've met just as many TEA Partiers that want the legality of marijuana to be state issue as I've met that abortion to be a state issue. And sure, there are those at the really that are just there because they are further right tha
>>The people who attend the rallies are being spoon-fed dogma to guide their votes
I love how your worldview is so distorted, and that you so entirely lack fiscal conservative friends, that you are completely unaware of the amount of voter anger there was in America over our drunken-sailor spending habits in the last 10 years (it's not just anti-Obama, it's anti-Bush as well).
The only way your mind can deal with the cognitive dissonance is to invent the theory that these people *weren't* actually angry
America is no doubt not pleased with the Bush era spending.
But you and your TP moron friends are dead wrong as to the solution.
Over 70% of Americans want the Bush tax cuts repealed, and over half want taxes raised even further on high-income individuals, who have successfully skated on having to pay for what the Republicans did to this nation.
The TP is the epitome of cognitive dissonance, a pretend grass-roots organization whose democratic end goal is the installation of a plutocracy. An organization whose
>>America is no doubt not pleased with the Bush era spending.
Correct. Though to be fair, the stimulus is both Bush and Obama's fault. And a lot of congressmen from both parties.
>>But you and your TP moron friends are dead wrong as to the solution.
Naturally. Your little mind cannot comprehend those scary "numbers".
50% increase in spending, 20% decrease in revenues, in five years. It might hurt your brain cell to realize it, so I'll explain it to you slowly. We've spent too much money.
What you have seen with your own eyes is called "anecdotal evidence", and is not probative. That the Tea Party includes people who believe they created it is their own cognitive dissonance. The facts are clear. It's paid for by people who would sell you for cattle feed.
Ah, but did you read the actual survey, as opposed to the Pew Survey (and other one that agrees with the Pew survey). If you phrase it as keeping the Bush Tax cuts, people are evenly divided between keeping them, keeping them for people $250k, then 72% said yes.
Also, that very NYT survey shows that people favor reducing spending over raising taxes by a 2-to-1 margin.
>>The facts are clear.
The facts are clear in your mind. That people can't disagree with you.
If you've actually gone out and talked with a lot of ring wing people, they were all very concerned about increased government spending/stimulus spending, increased government expansion of its role in our lives (Obamacare, whether that's true or not), the national debt, and so forth. The established right wing organizations, to paraphrase John Kerry, were against the Tea Party before they were for it. Once it became clear that this genuine grassroots revolt was going to make a difference in the 2010 elections, there was a lot of bandwagoning. Look at the dates of your conspiracy-theorish Koch brothers support for it. Did the funding come in before the Tea Party was started, or after it gained pre-eminence?
Obviously McCain doesn't understand the story (Score:5, Insightful)
The Tea Party aren't Hobbits by any stretch of the imagination - hobbits are more like 1970's back-to-the-land hippie organic farmer types.
No, the Tea Party seems to be much more like the Easterlings, who's society has been thoroughly corrupted by promises of power regardless of the decency or lack thereof of the individual members. And Obama seems to be playing the role of Denethor, trying to hold back the tide but not really being able to do so and kinda ambiguous about where he's loyalties really lie.
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The Tea Party aren't Hobbits by any stretch of the imagination - hobbits are more like 1970's back-to-the-land hippie organic farmer types.
No, the Tea Party seems to be much more like the Easterlings, who's society has been thoroughly corrupted by promises of power regardless of the decency or lack thereof of the individual members. And Obama seems to be playing the role of Denethor, trying to hold back the tide but not really being able to do so and kinda ambiguous about where he's loyalties really lie.
The TEA Party wants LESS government power, not more. Think of them as "Fiscal Libertarians".
So, if they are corrupt, as you say, wouldn't that means they want MORE government power? I think you got it backwards.
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The TP wants less government power over big business. They couldn't care less if you have to be forced by the government to carry any pregnancy to term.
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The TP wants less government power over big business. They couldn't care less if you have to be forced by the government to carry any pregnancy to term.
Strange. Everyone I know that has attended a TEA Party rally doesn't give a rat's ass about big business. They want the federal government out of THEIR lives. Also, abortion is not a TEA Party position. Letting the states decide whether or not to allow abortion, however, is. I've met just as many TEA Partiers that want the legality of marijuana to be state issue as I've met that abortion to be a state issue. And sure, there are those at the really that are just there because they are further right tha
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Don't let reality form yours:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129926390 [npr.org]
The people who attend the rallies are being spoon-fed dogma to guide their votes, while the candidates they elect have an agenda set by the $$'s.
It's a McParty, and it's willing to destroy the country and sell off the pieces.
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>>The people who attend the rallies are being spoon-fed dogma to guide their votes
I love how your worldview is so distorted, and that you so entirely lack fiscal conservative friends, that you are completely unaware of the amount of voter anger there was in America over our drunken-sailor spending habits in the last 10 years (it's not just anti-Obama, it's anti-Bush as well).
The only way your mind can deal with the cognitive dissonance is to invent the theory that these people *weren't* actually angry
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America is no doubt not pleased with the Bush era spending.
But you and your TP moron friends are dead wrong as to the solution.
Over 70% of Americans want the Bush tax cuts repealed, and over half want taxes raised even further on high-income individuals, who have successfully skated on having to pay for what the Republicans did to this nation.
The TP is the epitome of cognitive dissonance, a pretend grass-roots organization whose democratic end goal is the installation of a plutocracy. An organization whose
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>>America is no doubt not pleased with the Bush era spending.
Correct. Though to be fair, the stimulus is both Bush and Obama's fault. And a lot of congressmen from both parties.
>>But you and your TP moron friends are dead wrong as to the solution.
Naturally. Your little mind cannot comprehend those scary "numbers".
50% increase in spending, 20% decrease in revenues, in five years. It might hurt your brain cell to realize it, so I'll explain it to you slowly. We've spent too much money.
We need to r
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I don't have maniacs in my family, and don't consider idiots my friends.
Seventy-two percent support raising taxes on income above $250,000 [nytimes.com]
What you have seen with your own eyes is called "anecdotal evidence", and is not probative. That the Tea Party includes people who believe they created it is their own cognitive dissonance. The facts are clear. It's paid for by people who would sell you for cattle feed.
Re:Obviously McCain doesn't understand the story (Score:2)
Ah, but did you read the actual survey, as opposed to the Pew Survey (and other one that agrees with the Pew survey). If you phrase it as keeping the Bush Tax cuts, people are evenly divided between keeping them, keeping them for people $250k, then 72% said yes.
Also, that very NYT survey shows that people favor reducing spending over raising taxes by a 2-to-1 margin.
>>The facts are clear.
The facts are clear in your mind. That people can't disagree with you.
If you've actually gone out and talked with a lot of ring wing people, they were all very concerned about increased government spending/stimulus spending, increased government expansion of its role in our lives (Obamacare, whether that's true or not), the national debt, and so forth. The established right wing organizations, to paraphrase John Kerry, were against the Tea Party before they were for it. Once it became clear that this genuine grassroots revolt was going to make a difference in the 2010 elections, there was a lot of bandwagoning. Look at the dates of your conspiracy-theorish Koch brothers support for it. Did the funding come in before the Tea Party was started, or after it gained pre-eminence?